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This week I am back with an interview with Daniel Klein (who you can find on substack or insta), who grew up in a West Bank settlement, and we talk through what that looked like and what deconstructing that looks like, as well as the complex ideological systems that maintain it. We talk through the similarities and differences in how nationalism and religion get incredibly interwoven, and the role of mass media in keeping people in a consistent state of panic to justify fascist ends. We have a really interesting discussion about the relationship between Christian Zionists, Jewish Zionists, and the greater colonial superstructure, as well as the material impact of Israel as a laboratory for the American and Western empires. How technologies that we are seeing used in America right now by ICE , from biometrics to tracking, were tested on Palestinians first. If you are an American interested in undermining the same fascist ideologies that uphold Zionism, this is a really interesting listen or watch!
Timeline -
0:00 - Intro, Why American Antizionists Should Care
4:13 - His Experience Growing up in a settlement
7:00 - Religious Nationalism In Israel and America
11:35 - The Role of Mass Media in Israel
15:15 - Daniel's path out of Religious Zionism and Why Americans Need to Deconstruct
19:24 - Israels Role as A Laboratory for Colonialism
24:04 - Is Israel actually diverse? - The Erasure of Diaspora Identities in Israel and US
28:30 - A Lot of Original Zionists Were Atheists - The Relationship between them and Relgious Zionism
31:07 - The Relationship between Christian Zionists and Jewish Zionists
34:06 - Deconstructing religion from the outside
36:46 - Where to find Daniel - https://substack.com/@dzyk
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